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Early flaw in sustaining the fighting capacity of P-8A Poseidon MPA quickly identified - subsequently rectified (apparently) ;)

The following excerpts should first help to explain and then allay fears of the UK having purchased a sub-sufficient MOTS (Military Off the Shelf) aircraft. ;)
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It's American designers thought they were giving the Ministry of Defence the ultimate, state of the art long-range patrol aircraft.
By Marco Giannangeli PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Apr 30, 2017

But they forgot about the secret weapon that has fuelled Britain’s armed forces to victory for centuries - the humble cup of tea.

When RAF pilots tested the new Poseidon P8 maritime patrol aircraft, executives at Boeing had every reason to be confident. The “Russian sub-buster” will once again allow Britain to protect its nuclear submarines by scouring the water for unwanted intruders.

However Ft Lt Mark Hume, the first RAF pilot to complete the pilots' course at the US Navy Air Station at Jacksonville, noticed a glaring omission among the banks of sophisticated equipment the line the inside of the modified 737.

And he didn't hold back when asked about his experience by the RAF’s official newspaper.

“There are no on-board rations, so I do miss a good old fashioned cup of tea and doughnut when I'm in the cruise (a long mission)” he said.

Boeing was listening, with RAF sources last night confirming that the aircraft manufacturer was examining ways to add a hot water boiler.

“I understand Boeing is looking into how RAF pilots and air crew can be accommodated when the Poseidon enters service,” said the source.

Ft Lt Hume is a veteran of the Nimrod, the British-built maritime patrol aircraft that was unceremoniously scrapped during defence cuts in 2010 at a cost of £4bn. Because Nimrod crews regularly flew for 15 hours at a time without refuelling, the plane included a small kitchen galley.

And the need to brew a cuppa wasn't limited to aircraft.

The Vessel Boiling Electric water heating system has been a feature of almost every major British fighting vehicle since the Second World War, when it was developed to enable tank crews to brew a cup of tea without leaving their vehicles.

Today updated versions are included in Challenger 2 tanks, MAN trucks, and Warrior, Warthog, Mastiff, Jackal and Foxhound armoured fighting vehicles.

Last night former Nimrod crewman Frank James said Boeing had blundered by not giving crews the ability of making hot drinks during long flights.

“All the Nimrod variants included a small galley, and we were grateful for it’, said Frank, 69, a 40-year-veteran of the British patrol aircraft.

“I know that, to some, this might sound like an amusing story but there's a serious aspect to it. From a safety point of view, it’s pretty critical that you keep the crew aware and awake.

“I think it’s extraordinary that our new US-made replacements won't have any facilities at all. That’s the price you pay when you buy off the shelf.
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The full article titled US military aircraft designers asked by RAF where do we make a cuppa? can be read by opening the link.
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I Agree Harry ,......have no doubts , but some smart arse will quote some bilge as an excuse , bank on it ....
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Ali Kefford
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Ali Kefford Retweeted Mil Radar

And off another P8 goes. While you're safe and warm, spare a thought for the RN frigate and NATO submarine that will also be at sea tracking Russian hunter killers. Current RN TAPS definitely not alongside.

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Mil Radar
‏ @MIL_Radar

3h3 hours ago

19 DEC: US Navy P-8A 168859 TRDNT05 departed Lossiemouth at approx 0925z - Atlantic & GIUK Gap mission

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Click on the link to view a series of P-8A tracks

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TAPS = Towed Array Patrol Ship
FRE = Free Ready Escort (for info)

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Thanks for that update Harry please keep us posted on events :)
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The 737 - MMA / P-8A “Poseidon” The Boeing 737 Technical Site



FF 25 April 2009. 133 Orders (US Navy 117, India 12, Australia 8, UK 9)

Jack Zerr, the Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA) programme manager, described the aircraft as “A bit of JSTARS (Joint Surveillance Acquisition Radar System), a little bit of AWACS and a little bit of MC2A (Multirole Command and Control), but with the added ability to go and kill a submarine.”
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Caption reads; The P-8 displaying at Farnborough Air Show in 2014 with bomb doors open and dummy AGM-84D Harpoon anti-shipping missiles Photo: Kevin Dawes

This is a really interesting site just hope the hyperlink does not become broken.
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Fascinating site Harry but half way through was deluged with Apple warnings for infected site so had to leave , but don't worry I won't winge on to you for explanations for terms as it is a very comprehensive site , but not going to put my computer in harms way just being nosey , but many thanks for sharing this info . ;)
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ivorthediver wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:58 pm Fascinating site Harry but half way through was deluged with Apple warnings for infected site so had to leave.....
Nothing alarming here Ivor and I have scanned my machine with the linked site open.
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Here is an announcement I deffo missed :oops:



RAF P-8A Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be Known as 'Poseidon MRA Mk.1'
August 2018 Naval News
Posted On Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:53

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The Royal Air Force announced on its Twitter account that the UK’s new maritime patrol aircraft will be formally known in RAF service as the Poseidon MRA Mk.1.
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In July 2016, The UK Ministry of Defence confirmed the deal to purchase nine P-8A Poseidon Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) for the Royal Air Force. The Norwegian Ministry of Defence announced in November 2016 its intent to replace its ageing fleet of six P-3 Orion (four P-3C for ASW & two P-3N for SAR) and its three Dassault DA-20 ECM aircraft with five Boeing P-8A Poseidon MPA. Poseidon is also being fielded with the Indian Navy, the Royal Australian Air Force and has been selected by New Zealand and South Korea.

In may this year, the UK and Norway advanced their plans for international Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) co-operation in the North Atlantic. The allies ramped up discussions around how the nations will work together and might deploy their submarine-hunting aircraft fleet in the future. Areas of co-operation could range from maintenance to training and operations, which would not only cut costs but also boost operational power in the North Atlantic, a key area of submarine activity.

Based on Boeing’s Next-Generation 737-800 commercial airplane, the P-8A Poseidon offers advanced anti-submarine, anti-surface warfare and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities.

Source; navalrecognition.com Naval News

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and ................ from whence they (navyrecognition.com) gained the information - non other than the RAF's Twitter account. It's the way things are done nowadays; see:-


Royal Air Force
‏Verified account @RoyalAirForce on Twitter

A ceremony has been held at @raflossiemouth to mark the topping out of a new facility designed for the RAF’s new Poseidon MPA Mk.1 aircraft.


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Time for a Thread Title Change - best give Hon Mod Jim a PM methinks!!
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Thank you Harry , although I realise that we and the Norwegian forces have been close allies for many years , it it great to see this merging of operations on such an important issue as this , from which we both derive benefit from ;)
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Little h wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:16 am Here is an announcement I deffo missed :oops:



RAF P-8A Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be Known as 'Poseidon MRA Mk.1'
August 2018 Naval News
Posted On Tuesday, 21 August 2018 18:53

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The Royal Air Force announced on its Twitter account that the UK’s new maritime patrol aircraft will be formally known in RAF service as the Poseidon MRA Mk.1.
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Source; navalrecognition.com Naval News

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and ................ from whence they (navyrecognition.com) gained the information - non other than the RAF's Twitter account. It's the way things are done nowadays; see:-

Royal Air Force
‏Verified account @RoyalAirForce on Twitter

A ceremony has been held at @raflossiemouth to mark the topping out of a new facility designed for the RAF’s new Poseidon MPA Mk.1 aircraft.

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Time for a Thread Title Change - best give Hon Mod Jim a PM methinks!!

Ye Gawds an abominable faux pas ---- "wot-a-mistake-a-to-make-a" ... and none of the readership noticed ;)

Well here I am to put the record straight.

The mistake - references did not match; see:-
will be formally known in RAF service as the Poseidon MRA Mk.1. - V - designed for the RAF’s new Poseidon MPA Mk.1 aircraft

This was caused by my failing to use the correct RAF Twitter 'tweet' associated with my post title in this thread. I used a reference to a tweet posted at 9:05 am - 21 Nov 2018 on the RAF Twitter account, instead of the intended reference in the tweet posted at 5:30 am - 20 Aug 2018 on the RAF Twitter account. Entirely my fault :oops:

The intended reference of 20 Aug 2018 read:-
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So there we have it Poseidon MRA Mk.1.

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MRA = Maritime, Reconnaissance, Attack.

MPA = Maritime Patrol Aircraft
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