Norwegian Navy

[designeraccd]

Is this-sort of-history repeating itself?? OTOH, OSLO wasn't rammed by another ship, but the initial results were the same...... DFO

[ivorthediver]

Had forgotten about that one Dennis , thanks .........well the only thing to the skippers credit was the lack of casualties in the recent incident
What was the Outcome with that one Dennis ..... and is she still in service

[jbryce1437]

I have moved all of the posts relating to the grounding of HMS Nottingham to the Type 42 Destroyer thread

Jim

[ivorthediver]

Thank you Jim , it was getting a tad confusing ....Sorry ...

[ivorthediver]

Anyone heard anymore about its recovery yet please .

[Little h]

Anyone heard anymore about its recovery yet please .

Well Ivor this may not be an update about the recovery/salvage exercise but the article might be considered more than a little controversial... so here are a couple of excerpts followed by a link to the full article titled:-


Norwegian Journo Blames Frigate's 'Amateurish' Loss on Women, PC Culture
© REUTERS / Jakob Ostheim/Norwegian Coastal Administration
Military & Intelligence 09:02 20.11.2018

Prior to the dramatic incident, involving the 'unsinkable' frigate KNM Helge Ingstad, the Norwegian Armed Forces own magazine boasted that four out of five navigators on the warship were women.

Without making concrete accusations, Norwegian journalist, military expert and political analyst Helge Lurås has suggested that the dramatic incident is closely related to another highly controversial topic, namely the proportion of women in the Norwegian Armed Forces.
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Lurås suggested that the mandatory inclusion of women on a quota arrangement and with different requirements had had an effect on the professional culture of Norwegian Defence.
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Lurås recalled Forsvarets Forum, the Norwegian Armed Forces own magazine, boasting that four out of five navigators at the KNM Helge Ingstad were women. He went on to quote Lieutenant Iselin Emilie Jakobsen Ophus, navigation officer at KNM Helge Ingstad, who called having many women on board an 'advantage', a 'natural thing' and a 'completely different and positive environment'.

Lurås explained the Navy's reticence to give out the details of the incident as reluctance to draw attention to the gender of those who were at the the helm at that time.

Lurås, while admitting that both men and women can make mistakes, questioned whether it should remain a priority for the Armed Forces to spend energy and resources on 'integration' and creating a 'balanced' work environment.
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..... continues; and the full article can be read here on Sputnik News.

Fake News or what???

Sputnik News opening entry on wiki reads:-
Sputnik (Russian pronunciation: [ˈsputnʲɪk]; formerly The Voice of Russia and RIA Novosti) is a news agency, news website platform and radio broadcast service established by the Russian government-owned news agency Rossiya Segodnya.[2] Headquartered in Moscow, Sputnik has regional editorial offices in Washington, Cairo, Beijing, Singapore, London and Edinburgh. Sputnik focuses on global politics and economics and is geared towards a non-Russian audience.[3] According to The New York Times, Sputnik engages in bias and disinformation,[4] and has widely been described as a Russian propaganda outlet.[5][6][7]

Sputnik currently operates news websites, featuring reporting and commentary, in over 30 languages including English, Spanish, Polish, Serbian, and several others. The websites also house over 800 hours of radio broadcasting material each day and its newswire service runs around the clock.[8][9][10]

[ivorthediver]

Wow ......INCOMING .....don't mince their words do they Harry

Well I think that will certainly stir up a whole load of excrement , but wether its fact or not remains to be seen , there again it may soften the media attention on the Unthinkable .....unsinkable

[Little h]

Wow ......INCOMING .....don't mince their words do they Harry

Well I think that will certainly stir up a whole load of excrement , but wether its fact or not remains to be seen , there again it may soften the media attention on the Unthinkable .....unsinkable

I have been trying to test the veracity of the claims - with little real success ... Norwegian military sites don't appear to identify the number of women Navigation Officers and a Nato report was dated 2002 so not current.

[ivorthediver]

Well.... I think he can certainly guarantee a warm reception on that comment , and the implication that the male gender were miffed , and without corroboration he will end up in the mire for it , unless he can produce hard facts rather than innuendo , and from a liberated country as indeed the Scandinavian mindset is ....most surprising .

I know you have travelled more than I Harry but the three weeks resident I spent in that region gave totally the opposite logic along with their fair sex being highly developed on the equality basis ...and that was in the late 70's so not sure what axe he has to grind or what facts he can furnish to underline the lack of effectual control female officers on watch hold

[Little h]

Anyone heard anymore about its recovery yet please .

Yes Ivor!!


.....so here is an image and several excerpts from an article dated 3 days ago.

crane.jpeg

Photo: Vegar Valde
Caption reads:-
"Gulliver" held a speed of around five knots through Hjeltefjorden.
The top speed of the crane vessel is seven knots.


Crane vessel “Gulliver” travels to frigate accident site for salvage mission
News by Adrian Brudvik and Gerhard Flaaten, Sysla - 19 November 2018


“Gulliver” has arrived to the accident area – the sister ship is on its way.

The slightly smaller “Rambiz” is in the North Sea, heading towards Hanøytangen. Together, the two cranes can lift 7300 tonnes.

In the light of the dark, the Luxembourg-flagged “Gulliver” sailed into Hjeltefjorden on Sunday morning, at a speed of around 5 knots – or more than 9 kilometers per hour.

The crane boat was at Hanøytangen just before 09:00 on Sunday morning.
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Can lift 4000 tons
The boat has sailed to KNM “Helge Ingstad” in Hjeltefjorden, near Bergen, Norway,

Data from MarineTraffic shows that the sister ship “Rambiz” is also heading for Hanøytangen. The crane boat is located in the middle of the North Sea, and is scheduled to arrive on Hjeltefjorden on Wednesday.

There have been many speculations about how the ship is to be raised. Norwegian Armed Forces have given few details besides that “the plan is to gradually lift the vessel and transfer it to a submersible barge”.

Torill Herland, communications chief of the defense, confirms that “Gulliver” is in Hjeltefjorden in connection with rescue work. However, she will not share more details about this Sunday morning.

Frigate “Helge Ingstad” weighs more than 5000 tonnes and is also filled with water. Only the radar tower is visible, the boat is about 20 meters high.
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KNM “Helge Ingstad” will be raised gradually before it is transferred to a submersible barge and towed to Haakonsvern

The Armed Forces have been working hard to secure the ship, to prevent the frigate from sinking more.

On Saturday, communications officer, Torill Herland, told the Norwegian site BT that there is a real danger that the frigate will sink further. Her concern is that the weather might cause the ropes that keep the ship up, to bust.

Parts of the fuse have already busted.

“If the ship slides even further down into the water and stays on the firm bottom, it will be challenging to get the fastenings placed underneath the ship,” said Herland.

At the same time, the Coastal Administration stated that the ship’s fuel stock was larger than initially assumed.

– The vessel is not stable. It is our starting point. That is why we use large resources to collect oil, said Johan Marius Ly, Deputy Director at the Coastal Administration.
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continues at Salmon Business - where the full article can be read - plus a further image.