Norwegian Navy

[ivorthediver]

Seems an eternity ago now Harry , but remember the event as if it were yesterday , and glad to see that the "Build " came in for investigation as you will recall, I'm sure, there were questions about the "protection" of the design integrity of the vessel in just such an incident .

" Better days" on our Forum when discussions were held on topics that we all seemed to be interested in at the time ....instead of the endless photo's of historical ships others seem to prefer to swap .....which now seems to go on verbatim

Good to hear from you.... as I am sure other's are waiting in their cabins.... awaiting some kind of topic to discuss at length ....

[Little h]

Navy Lookout
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Hulk of former

Norwegian Frigate Helge Ingstad towed from Ågotnes to Hanøytangen for scrapping yesterday.

Sank after collision with merchant ship in Nov 2018. Re-floated but beyond economical repair.

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Note open link provided to view images of the vessel/wreck

[jbryce1437]

Thanks Harry, an inevitable end considering the damage and potential cost of repairs.

Jim

[Pelican]

International Defence News

HnoMS Helge Ingstad 2nd accident investigation report has been published (thread)!
Key findings;
1; Ship could have been saved despite initial damage from collision with the tanker Sola TS on 8/11/18
2; report finds watertight integrity ie hatches not closed were a key factor why there was so much water ingress throughout the ship leading to final sink rate.
3; as a result of previous, report is damming on ships company and its training. Poor training and practices in place. Failed to follow procedures established before evacuation.
4; no findings in this report that @NavantiaOficial are responsible in anyway re ship and her design that has previously been suggested.
In summing up reminders for all navies here, importance of regular damage control training, following procedures, watertight integrity etc.

For 5 photos go to:
https://www.facebook.com/intdefnews/pho ... 7965379572

[ivorthediver]

What a terrible waste of a valuable asset , and further supports the vigorous training regime our crews are currently taught

[Brian James]

Signalmen pictured showing off their skills aboard Norwegian Tordenskjold Class Coastal Defence Ship HNoMS Harald Haarfagre at Horten, Norway in 1903.

[Pelican]

Internationales Maritimes Museum Hamburg

HNoMS Norge was for 40 years one of the principal vessels of the Royal Norwegian Navy. She was built in 1900 in prediction of the dissolution of the union between Norway and Sweden that took place in 1905. The construction plans were already made by the Norwegian Parliament in 1895. A series of ships should defend the Norwegian coasts in case of a conflict with Sweden. Due to the political tensions surrounding the full independence of Norway, the ships were not ordered in Sweden but in the UK. The Norge and her sister Eidsvold were built at the shipyard of the Armstrong, Whitworth & Co. in Elswick, by the river Tyne. Both ship were modern and powerful at the turn of the century: strongly armoured with Krupp steel (except a weak protection against underwater weapons) and strongly armed with two 21cm main turrets two torpedo tubes and very capable middle and rapid guns. When the Norge was commissioned in 1901, she was a shiny example of a predreadnought warship - to be soon made obsolete by naval architecture advances in her time, like many other ships.
A political solution was eventually found for the separation between Norway and Sweden and a war avoided. Norway aimed to expand her navy with two further, more modern coastal defence ships in 1912. What should have become the Bjørgvin-class was ordered in the same shipyard as the Norge. The ships under construction were requisitioned by the British Royal Navy at the outbreak of World War I, becoming HMS Glatton and Gorgon. So, the Norge and the Eidsvold stayed the strongest ships of the Royal Norwegian Navy when Germany invaded their country during World War II.
Both about 40 years old ships were sunk by torpeados from the battle-ready German destroyers at the Ofotfjord under terrible weather conditions on April the 9th 1940. 101 men of the Norge sunk with her while ninety could be saved from the ice-Cold water. Her wreck, situated at the Port of Narvik was partly salvaged but is now considered a War Memorial and diving to it is prohibited.
Her model in a scale of 1:100 is part of our exhibition on modern maritime warfare on deck 5.

[Brian James]

Coastal Defence Ship HNoMS Tordenskjold pictured after her sea trials off W. G. Armstrong, Mitchell & Co Shipyards at Elswick, Newcastle-upon-Tyne in March 1898, prior to her handing over to the Norwegian Navy. Nearly identical to her sister ship Harald Haarfagre they were built as typical Pre-Dreadnought Battleships on a smaller scale, they carried guns of a wide range of calibers: two 8.2-inch guns in barbettes, six 4.7-inch, six 3-inch, and six smaller quick-firing guns. The ships could manage a speed of over seventeen knots. Protected by belt armour seven inches in thickness, the ships also featured gun barbettes with nearly eight inches of steel armour and an armoured decks. A vital part of the Royal Norwegian Navy, Tordenskjold performed ordinary duties until 1918, when she was turned into a Cadet Ship. She performed well in this role, carrying out eighteen training cruises until considered 'unfit for war' in the mid-1930s. After the German invasion of Norway, she was seized by the Germans and rebuilt as a floating flak battery with 10.5 cm AA guns and renamed Nymphe. In May, 1945 she was damaged by RAF aircraft at Svolvaer and beached. She was refloated later in the year. After the war Tordenskjold was used briefly as a floating Barracks Ship before she was sold for scrapping in 1948.

[Brian James]

HNoMS Heimdal pictured in her role as Royal Yacht at Kristiania (Oslo) in 1892...She was built to patrol Norwegian territorial waters and act as a rescue ship for sea travelers. Throughout her life she served in numerous roles; as a Royal Yacht (1892–1905, 1905–1908), Command Ship (1905), Offshore Patrol Vessel and Rescue Ship (1892–1940), Headquarters and Depot Ship (1940–1943), Accommodation Ship (1945–1946) and civilian cargo ship (1946–1947).

[Little h]

Only two paragraphs from the report have been copied below in this post ... open link to read full report.


Navy Lookout
January 5, 2022
Analysis
Learning the lessons – the loss the Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad

(1st excerpt)
The AIBN reports issued 15 recommendations relating to ship navigation and 28 recommendations relating to damage control and ship systems. Key findings were improvement in training and competence for bridge teams, that warships always activate AIS when navigating in confined waters with other vessels (something the RN does not do consistently). Unlike RN vessels, HING was not fitted with a Voyage Data Recorder (VDR) used for post-incident analysis and this should be remedied. The majority of recommendations to the navy related to training, especially damage control in complex situations, competence in shutting down and sealing compartments and understanding, operating and maintaining safety-critical systems, especially bilge pumps.

(2nd excerpt)
There is much more to learn from the report and the Norwegian Navy must take some credit for being reasonably open about events and the outcome of the investigation. Soon after the accident, lessons were shared directly by the Norwegians with the RN’s FOST organisation which has influenced its training methods and more widely will make a valuable contribution to the preparedness of NATO warships.


https://www.navylookout.com/learning-th ... e-ingstad/