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designeraccd
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Re: Norwegian Navy
This even made @ 30 seconds on Fox News tonight.......... DFO
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Little h
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Re: Norwegian Navy
Norwegian coastguard @Kystvakten reports KV Bergen is the command platform for managing the salvage of KNM #HelgeIngstad
Source NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
and for a clearer image; one from Wikimedia Commons:-
Source NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
and for a clearer image; one from Wikimedia Commons:-
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Re: Norwegian Navy
Repeating various expressed opinions or the accurate reporting of factual information?
Norway warship Helge Ingstad 'warned' before collision
By Soraya Auer BBC News 7 hours ago
A Norwegian warship was repeatedly warned of its collision course with a Maltese oil tanker before then hitting it in a fjord, the BBC has been told.
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Who knew what, when?
Communication between the vessels and the maritime traffic centre was recorded prior to the "very uncommon" collision, a maritime official told the BBC.
"This was a very serious accident and [the authorities] need the time to investigate," said John Erik Hagen, who is in charge of the Norwegian Coastal Administration's western region.
He would not confirm further details as reported by a Norwegian defence and security website, which broke the news that the two vessels could see each other and followed communication protocols on an open channel.
"The tanker, which was heading northbound, contacted the frigate, heading southbound, to ask if they had a plan to safely pass them as they seemed to be on a collision course," Kjetil Stormark, the editor of AldriMer.no told the BBC.
Citing what he called key sources, he said: "The response was: 'We have everything under control.'"
Lucky vessels
The incident is undergoing investigation, both by the police and by the Accident Investigation Board Norway, officials told the BBC.
Mr Stomark says that because the tanker was "slow, heavy and much larger", it was the warship's responsibility to move around it.
"[The collision is] fairly unusual given that one is a highly modern military vessel - the pride of the Norwegian navy - which should detect and avoid a huge tanker."
The defence expert believes the weapons-carrying vessel and heavily loaded oil tanker had "huge luck".
"The magnitude of that collision - it could have been a huge catastrophe, environmentally and with casualties," Mr Stomark.
What happened on Thursday?
The two vessels collided at about 04:00 local time (03:00 GMT) as the frigate, part of Nato's fleet, was sailing inner fjords for training, officials say.
"Due to the damage to the frigate it was moved to a safe place," Nato's Allied Maritime Command said in a statement.
The tanker had already left Equinor's Sture oil terminal with a cargo of North Sea crude, Reuters news agency reports.
The tanker, which had an uninjured crew of 23, returned to port for inspection.
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Full article at BBC News - World
Note; part of that video (not in a loop) showing tugs 'seemingly adjusting' the stricken Frigate can be viewed again by opening the link
Norway warship Helge Ingstad 'warned' before collision
By Soraya Auer BBC News 7 hours ago
A Norwegian warship was repeatedly warned of its collision course with a Maltese oil tanker before then hitting it in a fjord, the BBC has been told.
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Who knew what, when?
Communication between the vessels and the maritime traffic centre was recorded prior to the "very uncommon" collision, a maritime official told the BBC.
"This was a very serious accident and [the authorities] need the time to investigate," said John Erik Hagen, who is in charge of the Norwegian Coastal Administration's western region.
He would not confirm further details as reported by a Norwegian defence and security website, which broke the news that the two vessels could see each other and followed communication protocols on an open channel.
"The tanker, which was heading northbound, contacted the frigate, heading southbound, to ask if they had a plan to safely pass them as they seemed to be on a collision course," Kjetil Stormark, the editor of AldriMer.no told the BBC.
Citing what he called key sources, he said: "The response was: 'We have everything under control.'"
Lucky vessels
The incident is undergoing investigation, both by the police and by the Accident Investigation Board Norway, officials told the BBC.
Mr Stomark says that because the tanker was "slow, heavy and much larger", it was the warship's responsibility to move around it.
"[The collision is] fairly unusual given that one is a highly modern military vessel - the pride of the Norwegian navy - which should detect and avoid a huge tanker."
The defence expert believes the weapons-carrying vessel and heavily loaded oil tanker had "huge luck".
"The magnitude of that collision - it could have been a huge catastrophe, environmentally and with casualties," Mr Stomark.
What happened on Thursday?
The two vessels collided at about 04:00 local time (03:00 GMT) as the frigate, part of Nato's fleet, was sailing inner fjords for training, officials say.
"Due to the damage to the frigate it was moved to a safe place," Nato's Allied Maritime Command said in a statement.
The tanker had already left Equinor's Sture oil terminal with a cargo of North Sea crude, Reuters news agency reports.
The tanker, which had an uninjured crew of 23, returned to port for inspection.
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Full article at BBC News - World
Note; part of that video (not in a loop) showing tugs 'seemingly adjusting' the stricken Frigate can be viewed again by opening the link
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designeraccd
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It would appear that someone on the FFG did not have it "under control"......... Thankfully nobody was killed! 
The damage to the frigate, that was visible, certainly appears even worse than that sustained by the 2 BURKES.....
$alvage worthwhile??? DFO
Thankfully nobody was killed! The damage to the frigate, that was visible, certainly appears even worse than that sustained by the 2 BURKES.....
$alvage worthwhile??? DFO-
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Temporary steel wires secure #HelgeIngstad to the shore pending salvage
Source ; this tweet at NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
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Norwegian Coastguard say plan to salvage #HelgeIngstad is underway. Ship now settled & oil leaks minimal. Anchor points to be welded to hull for securing with steel wires to shore. BOA Salvage Co commissioned to eventually raise her onto barge.
Source; this tweet at NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
Source ; this tweet at NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
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Norwegian Coastguard say plan to salvage #HelgeIngstad is underway. Ship now settled & oil leaks minimal. Anchor points to be welded to hull for securing with steel wires to shore. BOA Salvage Co commissioned to eventually raise her onto barge.
Source; this tweet at NavyLookout on Twitter - Save the Royal Navy.org
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Not many dry compartments left onboard #HelgeIngstad
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Re: Norwegian Navy
Not looking good, obviously........... DFO
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Three excerpts taken from a piece in DefenseNews
Warnings and confusion preceded Norwegian frigate disaster: here’s what we know
By: David B. Larter and Sebastian Sprenger 12 hours ago
The Royal Norwegian Navy was dealt a devastating blow in the early morning hours of November 10 when one of its five capital Nansen-class frigates collided with a fully loaded oil tanker more than 10 times its size while returning NATO’s Trident Juncture exercise.
The frigate Helge Ingstad lost steering and drifted at five knots onto the rocky shore near Norwegian port of Sture, north of Bergen, saving the ship from sinking in the Fjord, according to media reports. The crew of 137 was forced to abandon ship. Ingstad is now resting on its side on three points while crews move to secure it.
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The situation is made all the more painful as evidence mounts that Ingstad was repeatedly warned to alter course before the collision and failed to take corrective action to avoid the collision.
Local media reported that the Maltese-flagged tanker Sola TS identified Ingstad and tried to avoid the disaster. The reports also revealed details that show that Ingstad did not have a firm grasp of the surface picture it was sailing into.
The disaster developed quickly, with Ingstad transiting the channel inbound at 17 knots and Sola TS traveling outbound at 7 knots.
Sola TS raised the Ingstad multiple times and was discussing the emerging danger with shore-based Central Station, according to the Norwegian paper Verdens Gang. The responses from Ingstad appear confused, at one point saying that if they altered the course it would take them too close to the shoals, which prompted Sola TS to respond that they had to do something or a collision would be unavoidable.
Contributing to the confusion, the Ingstad appears to have been transiting with its Automatic Identification System switched off. That seems to have delayed recognition by central control and the other ships in the area that Ingstad was inbound and heading into danger, the account in VG seems to indicate.
The AIS being off recalls the collision of the U.S. destroyer Fitzgerald in 2017. Fitzgerald inadvertently crossed an outbound shipping channel with its AIS turned off, which the U.S. Navy found was a contributing factor in the collision.
The Norwegian military has repeatedly declined to comment on the sequence of events, citing an ongoing investigation by an accident investigation panel.
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Salvage
Crews are in the process of securing the Ingstad with cables to the shore, and once they are sure the ship wont drift away and sink, the Navy will be able to get their people on board, according to the Norwegian paper Aftenposten.
Radio transmissions from Ingstad indicated that the Sola TS ripped a huge hole in the engine room, VG reported. Once crews are on board, the Navy will assess the level of damage to the ship, the Navy told Aftenposten.
The plan as it stands will be to see if the hole can be sealed up and the spaces dewatered, then the ship will be lifted on to a barge and brought to the Norwegian Navy base at Haakonsvern. The ship is carrying weapons that will be offloaded once it is safely on a barge, the Navy told Aftenposten.
Meanwhile, the Sola TS was cleared to leave Norway after being questioned by police and investigators and was in Britain on Saturday, Aftenposten reported.
Source; See link included above.
Note that of the passages not copied, there is one under sub heading Mismatch that may be of interest to thread readers.
Warnings and confusion preceded Norwegian frigate disaster: here’s what we know
By: David B. Larter and Sebastian Sprenger 12 hours ago
The Royal Norwegian Navy was dealt a devastating blow in the early morning hours of November 10 when one of its five capital Nansen-class frigates collided with a fully loaded oil tanker more than 10 times its size while returning NATO’s Trident Juncture exercise.
The frigate Helge Ingstad lost steering and drifted at five knots onto the rocky shore near Norwegian port of Sture, north of Bergen, saving the ship from sinking in the Fjord, according to media reports. The crew of 137 was forced to abandon ship. Ingstad is now resting on its side on three points while crews move to secure it.
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The situation is made all the more painful as evidence mounts that Ingstad was repeatedly warned to alter course before the collision and failed to take corrective action to avoid the collision.
Local media reported that the Maltese-flagged tanker Sola TS identified Ingstad and tried to avoid the disaster. The reports also revealed details that show that Ingstad did not have a firm grasp of the surface picture it was sailing into.
The disaster developed quickly, with Ingstad transiting the channel inbound at 17 knots and Sola TS traveling outbound at 7 knots.
Sola TS raised the Ingstad multiple times and was discussing the emerging danger with shore-based Central Station, according to the Norwegian paper Verdens Gang. The responses from Ingstad appear confused, at one point saying that if they altered the course it would take them too close to the shoals, which prompted Sola TS to respond that they had to do something or a collision would be unavoidable.
Contributing to the confusion, the Ingstad appears to have been transiting with its Automatic Identification System switched off. That seems to have delayed recognition by central control and the other ships in the area that Ingstad was inbound and heading into danger, the account in VG seems to indicate.
The AIS being off recalls the collision of the U.S. destroyer Fitzgerald in 2017. Fitzgerald inadvertently crossed an outbound shipping channel with its AIS turned off, which the U.S. Navy found was a contributing factor in the collision.
The Norwegian military has repeatedly declined to comment on the sequence of events, citing an ongoing investigation by an accident investigation panel.
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Salvage
Crews are in the process of securing the Ingstad with cables to the shore, and once they are sure the ship wont drift away and sink, the Navy will be able to get their people on board, according to the Norwegian paper Aftenposten.
Radio transmissions from Ingstad indicated that the Sola TS ripped a huge hole in the engine room, VG reported. Once crews are on board, the Navy will assess the level of damage to the ship, the Navy told Aftenposten.
The plan as it stands will be to see if the hole can be sealed up and the spaces dewatered, then the ship will be lifted on to a barge and brought to the Norwegian Navy base at Haakonsvern. The ship is carrying weapons that will be offloaded once it is safely on a barge, the Navy told Aftenposten.
Meanwhile, the Sola TS was cleared to leave Norway after being questioned by police and investigators and was in Britain on Saturday, Aftenposten reported.
Source; See link included above.
Note that of the passages not copied, there is one under sub heading Mismatch that may be of interest to thread readers.
Little h
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ivorthediver
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Re: Norwegian Navy
Excellent heads up Harry , just read the Mismatch item you highlighted , and it looks like you were right and the USS Fitzgerald is remarkably similar in that they had their I.D. system off .... and the comment that this loaded Tanker displacement was 10 times more than that of the Frigate .....a lesson the skipper will never forget ....... well done and thanks for the Heads up 
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