Aircraft Carriers: Kuznetsov

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Russian CYA is in full operating/PANIC mode...czar vlad can't be pleased. :o DFO

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Still I'm told Siberia can be quite picturesque in the summer :roll:
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ANOTHER REPORT BY AN AMERICAN NAVAL ARCHITECT:

This is an odd story, set in the icy Siberian waters near Murmansk, Russia. Apparently, Russia’s largest floating drydock sank from underneath Russia’s only aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, doing some damage to the carrier above the waterline as the dock sank. The carrier was undocking when a reported power failure caused the dock to flood and ultimately sink. Reportedly, one person died and four were injured.

The Sinking Floating Dry Dock
Here is where it gets odd. One account in the Drive blog suggests that Russia’s dry dock accident could have far larger repercussions than a damaged carrier. The drydock, designated PD-50, is the largest Russian floating dock and according to Drive the only Russian dry dock that we know of that could handle the country’s lone aircraft carrier.

On the other hand, the Diplomat blog says that shipyard reportedly possesses another floating dock, PD-1, of approximately identical size to the one sunk.

Which report is correct? Subsequent news accounts suggest that the PD-1 can handle every other Russian Navy ship except the Kuznetsov. There are also other reports that the Russians have large dry docks in the Black Sea and the Pacific, which may not be geographically convenient, but are nevertheless available if need be.

On the other hand, it is not clear to me why refloating a floating dry dock is that big a deal. Various sources say that it could take six months to a year. One complication is that the bottom near the shipyard is said to drop off quickly and one report says that the dock slid into water 160 feet deep.

Even if sitting in deep water, it is unclear to me why refloating the drydock is such a challenge. Floating dry docks are designed to partially sink and be refloated. A floating dry dock is nothing more or less than a strengthen barge with high extended wing-wall tanks. Provided that the drydock was not in some fashion ripped apart when it sank, it should be a matter of lining up valves and pumping air into the tanks to refloat the dock. That is what floating drydocks are designed to do. I may be missing something obvious and salvage is always more complicated than it appears. Nevertheless, this is not rocket science.

The Smokey Carrier with a Bad Heart
The United States has 11 large aircraft carriers with flight deck areas several times greater than all other nation’s navies carriers combined. If you include amphibious assault ships, which would be considered to be aircraft carriers in other navies of the world, the US carrier fleet increases to 20.

Russia, by comparison, has one — the Admiral Kuznetsov, and it is just barely hanging on. Ordered in 1981, commissioned in 1990 but not fully operational until 1995, the carrier is steam turbine powered and burns heavy fuel. Since it was delivered the ship has had chronic boiler problems. A Russian news article described the Kuznetsov as having a “weak heart.”

Between bad boiler tubes, combustion problems, and burning Mazut, a Russian version of Bunker C, the carrier is notorious for belching a vast cloud of black smoke whenever underway.

Beyond the oily smoke, the carrier’s operating history has been troubled. The ship has never been deployed for longer than six months and has famously been followed by oceangoing tugboats during all of its sea voyages in case the ship breaks down. There were reports that in a 2011 deployment, the U.S. Navy’s Sixth Fleet kept close by so it could rescue crew, in case the Admiral Kuznetsov happened to sink.

During a deployment to Syria in 2016 deployment, one MiG-29K/KUB multirole fighter crashed due to a faulty arresting wire. A Sukhoi Su-33 air superiority fighter also plunged into the Mediterranean Sea when an arresting cable snapped during the landing.”

Admiral Kuznetsov already had a reputation as a bad luck ship. Having a drydock sink beneath her is unlikely to dispell that notion.

Admiral Kuznetsov was scheduled to be out of service being overhauled until 2021. The loss of drydock PD-50 is expected to delay her redelivery, although by how much is uncertain.
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How many hands has that American Naval Architect got?? :o
Pelican wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:38 pm ANOTHER REPORT BY AN AMERICAN NAVAL ARCHITECT:

This is an odd story..............

Here is where it gets odd. One account in the Drive blog suggests.........

On the other hand, the Diplomat blog says ...........

Which report is correct?

On the other hand, it is not clear to me ...........
Does that mean that he has three hands :)
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I'd suspect that in 160 feet of ICE COLD water it will prove to be quite an effort to TRY to salvage the sunken dry dock! If it hit "nose" first crash damage could further complicate matters.

BTW, AFAIK only 1 HUGE tug has ever "escorted" the KUZNETSOV on her voyages. IIRC, she was the LARGEST, most powerful tug afloat.

"Holding the title as world’s most powerful tug(s) for a time, it was the Russians again. The two Finnish built tug/icebreakers, Nikolay Chiker and Fotiy Krylov are indeed impressive ships. Produced by Hollming Oy in Rauma in 1989, with four Wartsila main engines producing 24,480 bhp these tugs have an advertised bollard pull of 250 tonnes. They are also fitted to support divers, have helicopter landing pads, firefighting (and drenching) systems and extra accommodation for 51 crew and 21 supernumaries to support salvage or rescue operations in remote locations. They are ice class and can work in temperatures to -25 degrees C.
Owned by Sovfracht, they were operated by Tsavliris Russ, a sort of joint venture with Tsavliris Towing & Salvage of Greece/London. There was considerable dispute at one time over ownership of Fotiy Krylov, when the ship was sold to Tsvalirtis by one Russian agency and contested by the Russian government. The tug was renamed Tsavliris Giant , but in the end the Russian government won, the name reverted but continued with the charter arrangement."

In$urance apparently...at @ 7 knots wide open. Rather slows the already slow-in reality-KUZNETSOV, pride of the Soviet Navy DFO
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Thank you all for your separate posts on this intriguing story which seems to gain more facets with every telling .

Who is telling the truth in Russia is as much a mystery as the incident itself , and will no doubt rumble on as everyone in the media claims another news first on the topic :roll:
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ivorthediver wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:57 pm Thank you all for your separate posts on this intriguing story which seems to gain more facets with every telling .

Who is telling the truth in Russia is as much a mystery as the incident itself , and will no doubt rumble on as everyone in the media claims another news first on the topic :roll:
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russia- ... uB9KBof66c
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Old smokey.....RFS Admiral Kuznetsov pictured at Zvezdochka Shipyard 35th Ship Repair Plant,Murmansk...2019... Will she ever sail again?
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when the floating dock collapsed under Valiant (in Sri Lanka, Ceylon) in late 1944 she lost the use of both inboard shafts and had to limp back to Blighty where her life as a man of war was abruptly terminated. No doubt it would have ended anyway given her age. A sad end.
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Thanks for that Tim , was not aware of that . :o
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